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Question About a Common Theory in Fanfiction 1

This is numbered because I have plenty more questions I will likely bring up at some point, assuming anyone is interested in discussing them. ^_^

Anyway, I was watching the second season on DVD, and the episode 'Cross-Jurisdiction' reminded me of a question I often wonder when reading Nick/Greg fanfictions. In the episode, Nick mentions that he got "multiple partner wild" during some of his frat parties, stating that it was not unusual to end up with two or three girls when there was enough alcohol going around. (I'm not even going to touch on the other implications that statment could imply...)

On the flip side of the coin, we learn in season five that Greg didn't even lose his virginity until he was twenty-two and out of college. Considering how settled he seems to be in his job at Vegas (and the fact that he mentions living in NY for a spell and Ultimate CSI states he worked in SF briefly before going to LV) by the age of 24, I don't think that leaves a lot of room for romance in his life. Speaking of which, he's supposedly a romantic, which (from my experience anyway) usually tends to lead away from casual sex.

Now to my question... Why do so many fanfictions mention Greg having been loose in that department prior to Nick, while Nick is usually described as having been undoubtedly clean/having been with very few others prior to Greg? It seems to me the opposite would be the case.

There really isn't much point to this, I suppose. I'm just curious about other people's opinions. Thanks.

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Huh. Most of the fic that I have read has Nick as a man whore and Grag as a virgin...

I've seen Greg as a virgin, but usually Nick is still pretty fr from a man whore. Actually, I'd like to see that. Do you remember where you read those, and if they were AU or fanon?

Admittedly, I haven't read a Nick and Greg fic in about a year, but I don't remember it really being this way. I remember references to Greg knowing more about sex with guys, but in most cases that could be that he slept with one guy. Also, just because Greg is a romantic, doesn't mean that he's only slept with one person. I won't have causal sex either and I've still slept with three people. If Greg had had even short relationships with three (for the sake of the argument) guys, then he'd know a lot more than Nick would.

Finally, CSI is not known for excellence in continuity or realism. So really, if you can explain it as vaguely as I just did, then it's possible in this fandom. lol! :D

Well, I certainly haven't even read half of the stories on the websites I've checked out and I'm not saying that every story follows this theory. I've just seen it used several times now and found it odd.

I actually agree that it would make more sense for Greg to know more about male/male sex than Nick...whether it's from experience or not. I also in no way meant that Greg being a romantic would indicate that he's only slept with one guy; just that he would not be into casual sex, which I don't think is the case with Nick.

Unfortunately, that seems to be the case with most fandom. :\

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Well that's nice to know (at least they're out there somewhere). That makes a lot of sense, as Greg does try to project a certain image (although I didn't think he'd been all that successful). See, I think that's where I fall in to the minority...I see Greg as playful instead of flirty on the show.

That episode is on the fifth season and I love that scene. The expression on Greg's face when Mia calls him on his barmy is priceless. ^_^

Oh, that would be great. Thank you very much. I agree; Greg strikes me as a sweetheart too.

...And lovestruck!Greg is adorable.

I think it's because the image Greg tries to create at work, being flirty with everyone etc. And I've read a lot of fics where Nick is often depicted as having never slept with guys before. Personally I would love to see some fics where Greg is the more inexperienced one.

Now that makes sense. I always figure more of his comments at work are based on un-practiced knowledge or is just his lighthearted personality...although I suppose there's no real way to know when he's being serious and when he's exaggerating (as he admitted to doing in the second season).

I would personally like to see that too.

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Nick as a former hush-hush bad-boy totally works. Aside from the frat parties, he's also talked about causing a scene with his friends 'many times' in order to get cashiers to sell them alcohol as a teen and playing mailbox baseball...in any case, he definitely was a little wild. I also agree that he's matured over the course of the show, as have most of the other characters (Greg included).

Regardless of the lack of siblings (I didn't get into the show until later and read Ultimate CSI prior to seeing Fannysmakin', so I always saw Greg as an only child anyway), I do think Greg tried hard to appear hip and slick too. He mentions in the fourth season that he went through 'five years of hell' with braces, a palette extender, etc; he was captain of the chess team; a member of the bowling team; an Eagle Scout (likely as a smaller kid); a goth for a spell; and apparently was educated in schools for the gifted prior to college. None of that usually lends towards popularity in the usual sense of the term. He also mentions his hokey player roommate in freshman year of college made Greg sharpen his skates for him and it sounds like he had a fair share of trophy condoms hanging off his doorknob as well. I'm guessing he was well-liked, cute, and funny, just never considered one of the cool kids.

I think the writers did all right with continuity on Greg's experience, all things considered. He's admitted to over-exaggerating to Nick before (second season), and we learn that he lost his virginity at age twenty-two early in the fifth season, while he makes the hearse comment to Nick in the seventh. I, at least, just take that to mean he was lying to try to impress Nick (or feel like he fits in). *shrug*

Your closing comment does appear to be the thought process behind the virgin-izing of Nick of whoring of Greg in fictions. Although, I know plenty of Californians who are open-minded and fluid in their sexuality that still had/have limited experience. I don't believe I know anyone from Texas, but I would think they have sluts there just like everywhere else.

Thanks for replying.

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Your numbers sound reasonable, based on what we've seen/heard on the show. Well, I kind of doubt Greg managed to get drunk as a teenager, since it sounds like his mother was the sort who couldn't quite cut the cord, but he doesn't seem like the sort who would necessarily wait until he was 21 and legal. Who knows?

Wow, mental note: I should never tell anyone I'm a Californian when I travel. Apparently, we're getting bad press. Pity.

I don't consider that too verbose. I asked a question in the hopes of receiving a well-thought response and possibly starting a few interesting discussions or maybe getting a couple of good story links. That's the point of sites such as this, yes? ^_^

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I'm sort of torn on that episode too. It's a fantastic episode and the story arc it starts for Greg is great, but I didn't like actually seeing him beaten. I also always figured that Greg's parents were either divorced and sort of detached or dead prior to that episode (since he always mentions his grandparents but never his parents, except for one brief, past-tense mention of his dad in Gum Drops).

Yeah, I could definitely see him having a nice little celebration once he went off to college and got out from under his mother's gaze.

Ah, good to know. Well, my family is mostly from California or New York (most are open minded -a few are a little old fashioned), with some members in Illinois or Wisconsin (not so open minded to flat out bigoted), so that might be based in some truth...although it takes all kinds, you know?

Not at all. ^_^

Well, as I think has come across in my opening question, I dislike a slutty Greg virginal Nick, or just anything too OOC. I also don't like Mpreg or kid-fics. Aside from that, I'm pretty open right now. I'm just seeing what's out there. Thanks. Are your stories posted here?

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I haven't seen either of the other shows, and while I usually don't mind violence that much, I did find Fannnysmackin' to be a bit much. Mostly because of the story, I believe...and the fact that we know Greg isn't a violent person at all. Overall, the whole thing just seems so cold.

Hmm, that could be it. Or, somehow or another, his grandparents (minus the other grandmother we've never heard of, as far as I know) just left a larger impression on him.

Oh, I read that story and think it's excellent. I like the dynamics of the relationship and the pacing is great. Thank you for the link. I had to do a full system restore on my laptop a few weeks ago and lost all my bookmarked stories.

Oh, I cannot stand Mpreg and I don't like kid-fics at all! I just don't see it either. With their jobs/lives and ethics, I couldn't see them making that choice as a couple. Mpreg just makes my brain hurt (how and why did that even start?)...

Oh, cool. I'm glad this conversation could inspire you to post. ^_^ I'd definitely be interested in reading that. Well, aside from your journal, you could post to Fanfiction.Net, AdultFanfiction.Net, DeviantArt.com, PaperDemon.com, csi-forensics.com, or see if there is a Greg or general CSI club here.

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I have heard that about Miami before, and I really didn't like the Miami crossover in the third season. NY sounds like it might be worth checking out though.

We're already touching the 'Grandfather' vs 'Papa Olaf' bit and whether Papa Olaf is his mother or father's father in our other discussion, so I think I'll just leave it there.

You know, I'm honestly not sure if I read anything else by her or not. I think I have... I'll have to check.

That is precisely how I feel about both the kids and Mpreg topics. They don't have the time, nor show any want, for kids in the show, so I don't see it happening at all. I have read (well, not entirely, but enough to get the picture) a few Mpregs in other fandoms that used either magic or another fantasy race to make an Mpreg make some level of sense, but I don't think anyone should even try it in a fandom like CSI. One of the high points of the show is the science, after all.

Sounds like a plan. ^_^

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Hmm...I've heard comparisons to Adam and Greg before, which is actually one of the reasons I never checked out NY. I figured it was just using the exact same formula as LV.

I cannot see Sara or Grissom having children under any circumstances, especially not together and certainly not by mistake. I forget the episode title, but in the sixth or seventh season (I think) there's an episode where Catherine and Sara are questioning a woman who works for this embryo relocation thing, and the woman assumes that Catherine has had an abortion. Catherine's response is 'No, thank God I didn't have one.' I've always taken her tone and such to mean that she had seriously considered it. So, you may be right about her never planning on having a child until Lindsay came along.

Well, there's the Papa Olaf questions. I also cannot figure out why most of the stories I've come across assume Greg cannot cook (I personally think he would be able to...he'd be a lousy chemist if he couldn't follow those kinds of instructions). I've stopped reading at least half a dozen stories now because part of the plot involved Greg either using drugs or having had a previous drug problem, which really doesn't fit the character to me.

I previously put up a fic search based on another question of mine. In many stories/discussion panels I've read, Nick is assumed to be a closet homosexual. However, considering how many times he's mentioned/been with women, I figure it would make more sense for him to be bi or pan-sexual. At least i it were Greg, we've never seen him with a girl, and he's only mentioned one once or twice.

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Okay, so they fulfill the same role (or used to) but actually have very different characteristics. That sounds cool. Actually, your description of Adam sounds pretty amusing in itself. I'll definitely have to check out NY. Thanks. ^_^

I think it fits Catherine's character too. In season nine, we learn that she discovered she was pregnant shortly before taking her first solo case, back when she was a level 1 or 2, so the timing probably wasn't ideal for her at all. She also states on a few occasions that she and Eddie weren't getting on well for some time or were together for way too long, so it's possible they were already having marital troubles as well. Makes sense to me too.

Precisely my line of thinking. His mother kept him close, he sounds like he was fond of his grandmother he went to school for the gifted and got a scholarship to Stanford, and is a great chemist. Why wouldn't he be able to cook?
I know we saw him eating a cup of noodles once, but he was probably just busy at work and wanted quick food. He's also mentioned having rack of lamb on his day off, which he very well may have cooked himself. Heh, I see Nick as the simple cooking sort too. I also figure that Greg is more likely to be the healthier eater of the pair...Nick is probably a fast food/meat and potatoes type of guy.

Ugh...how did we Californians end up with such a bad stereotype? I don't get the smoking bit at all either. It definitely does not fit either character and we haven't seen anything to suggest it in canon. I think Sara and Catherine mentioned chewing nicotine gum in the first season, and since then, I haven't seen/heard any references to smoking by the main cast...aside from a couple one-liners against it by Grissom (All for COuntry) and Greg (Who Shot Sherlock).

I get the closet case bit. What confuses me is that he's always a closet homosexual, where as I think it makes more sense for the character to be a closet bisexual. I think he's been with both, but just hides the guys an plays up the ladies.

Greg we haven't actually seen with anyone, so he could be anything. I find it sort of funny, in the King Baby episode, Grissom asks both Sara and Greg how they each would respond to seeing their husband dying on the driveway like that. None of them react to the fact that he mentions a husband in respect to Greg; they don't even joke about it. Also, when Greg is joking about dreams in the Big Middle episode, he claims that Grissom was in one of them.

I don't get that at all either. I think the crush was brief and not very serious to begin with. His attitude toward Hank in the third season seemed to me to just be a) his ego/feelings being hurt by the fact that Sara never so much as looked twice at him yet practically threw herself at Hank and b) that he simply did not like Hank.

By the fifth season they strike me as having a very big sister/little brother relationship going. One of the writers even states as much in some of the commentaries in the fifth season. My mother also says that Sara's reactions to Greg remind her of her reactions to her little brother (who is nine years younger and a little quirky, like Greg) when they were about the characters' ages.

One other thing, I always just assumed that Warrick's grandmother died pre-show, but I noticed in the episode where his old mentor's daughter is killed that Warrick mentions his grandmother lives a few blocks away...as in the present tense. Do you know when she is supposed to have passed away?

Well now I'm the one getting a little verbose, aren't I?

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I haven't had the time/money (or found someone to borrow it from) yet. I do plan to check it out though, and I'll let you know what I think of it.

Hmm...that's a good point. I grew up with us being known as health freaks and free-thinkers, but it was definitely different when my parents generation was my age. Probably was different from that when they're parents were young. Damn that Hollywood... ^_~

I agree completely. One of only two CSI involved sex scenes we've seen consisted of Nick with a woman. He's mentioned having two or tree girls at once in college, hooked up with a woman in a bar, and scoped out a couple women on the show. I really don't think we can just ignore his obvious interest in the ladies. Of course, he has mentioned being an ass man, so that works for both genders.

Hey, if Grissom can see it, there has to be something there. Yeah, Grissom/Greg, even in Greg's dreams, is just wrong. I think he was kidding, but I agree with you; the level of comfort he had in making a sex joke including Grissom (in Grissom's presence, without the desire to make the man uncomfortable or embarrassed) says something too.

His pride definitely seemed wounded, but something about the way he made the 'A real man wouldn't mind' comment upon meeting Hank made me get the feeling that the guy just rubbed him the wrong way. Although, I suppose it could have just been that Hank had made Sara feel bad.

Don't they play it so well? I love their relationship too. Few shows/films have pulled off a close, yet platonic and non-related, relationship between members of the opposite sex so well. I definitely think they have the closest relationship on the show and I also despise it when people go on about them 'flirting' or the like.

The 'work in progress' comment seemed ambiguous to me, but you do have a point with him still feeling like he was a work in progress. That does suggest that she had passed already. Hmm...her passing in the early seasons makes the most sense at this point, I think.

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